toslink vs spdif

Criticism was raised elsewhere for my use of USB to S/PDIF converter. Please try listening without it in place as well in your testing. To be honest, I think USB vs S/PDIF is yesterday's battle. TOSLINK specifies the physical connector for optical cable at the physical layer. Users of TacT equipment have found that placing a Big Ben prior to their digital room correction preamps, and again prior to their digital amps, can improve the sound. In a less painstakingly optimized room/system the same improvement could undoubtedly have been had more cheaply any of a hundred ways and I remember almost deciding to give it a miss.

My apologies for the tardy response. My understanding is that TosLink can sound as good as S/PDIF if the TosLink cable itself is of good quality with good termination lenses and the transmitter and receiver of the equipment it is connected to are well designed. It is electically isolated, so you don't pass on any electrical noise. Oddly, in my searching for DACs for my most recent posts, I came across this thread that digressed a bit to talking about digital S/PDIF vs. toslink. Toslink is an optical fiber developed and manufactured by Toshiba Corporation. So I went back and re-tested two of my DACs again: I've always struggled with a ground loop hum when using USB or S/PDIF over coax between my tower and DC-1. S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) is a type of digital audio interconnect used in consumer audio equipment to output audio over reasonably short distances. I've had it happen with cheap optical cables. is causing the first major audio relapse I have suffered since the birth of one baby led to the boxing and storage of all the others.

There are those who say Toslink sucks because it often has a cap on upper resolution (usually like 96khz) and often has higher jitter. However it remains to be seen how it will fare in the strange company of the Sonos/Boulder combo! BTW, I'm not sure how much difference a high end toslink cable will make - there's quite a bit jitter via toslink, from what I understand. Happily children arrived just in time to bring me back down to earth. The only difference you could discern is if the optical->electrical conversion is not up to par with the coax, but that is a fault of the component, not the cable. Otherwise just use the coax. I. menu Whirlpool Go to navigation. Catch-all Discussion, Not All Movie Rewards Programs Are Created Equal. TOSLINK (from Toshiba Link) is a standardized optical fiber connector system. The two main strategies to secure a stable timebase seem to be: The latter is not an option for me since neither the Sonos nor the Boulder can act as or slave to a master clock. JavaScript is disabled. Purchase of a Sonos system as a Christmas present to self and the subsequent liberation of my entire iTunes library through my big-rig (however did we manage before?) For toslink, I used a glass toslink cable. I can't comment with any authority on the merits of the theoretical arguments here, only to say that in my own experience: You may also enjoy, as I did, the sixmoons.com review of the Zanden 200P.

For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. S/PDIF specifies the protocol at the data link layer. I want to test its effect both as a jitter-buster (on Toslink and RCA) as well as determine any incremental benefits of up-sampling to 24/96.

By the way, do you get the impression we're the last two people in the bar here? When hooking up an audio system or sound bar, you generally have to choose an HDMI or optical digital-audio connection. As a user of an HTPC set up, I can attest to the fact that when using optical connections, you eliminate any ground loops or hum. Very interesting reading indeed. I do remember describing that difference to a disbelieving audiophile friend at the time ("it does WHAT???") I, for one, am very interested to read what you learn in your testing. Now I in no way feel that SPDIF is better, but it seems that many times the people who designed these DACs are better at taking the signal from one interface than another. I certainly will! If it drifts by 0.01%, suddenly the DAC begins having to adjust itself to match. Just in case anybody else is wondering about the same questions I wanted to share a couple of interesting pieces I found: On Toslink vs RCA see this comparison over at sixmoons.com. Molon_Labe MAGA. The audiophile discussions about this topic and perceived differences people had perceived prompted a paper entitled, “Is the AES/EBU/SPDIF Digital Audio Interface Flawed?” that was presented at the Audio Engineering Society back in 1992. Most times the noise is it is a 60hz hum that almost always seems to come from the wall wart the laptop is using, Other times it is a hum that just doesn't go away. I used the Toslink connection in my review because I was suspicious of the switching power supply possibly injecting RF noise into the common ground shared by the DAC when it was connected by coax. And that makes USB noisier and less desirable interface. When I first started reading 'phile about twenty years ago it was for my money the de facto guardian of the high-end as well as the magazine that set the benchmark on review quality. This is despite (or maybe because) afaik at $2000 it is about the cheapest digital source that can accept a separate word clock.

https://www.patreon.com/audiosciencereview, https://mutec-net.com/product_mc-3-plus-usb.php, [DAC battle] E30 vs M300 mkII, along with L30, Sabaj D5 vs Topping DX7 Pro vs SMSL M500 - battle of the ES9038Pro, Digital To Analog (DAC) Review and Discussion, Battle of Battery Operated Portable Headphone Amps, Amplifiers, Phono preamp, and Analog Audio Review. If the data stream is bit-perfect then the timebase (and variations therein) is the only other variable, right? I recall quite a heated discussion between Dan Lavry and Bob Katz with Max Gutnik of Apogee (maker of the Big Ben) on this point. I am a big believer in USB being a much better interface. Apologies, the wrong reference (I plead sleep deprivation). The take-out is that RCA is not inherently better than Toslink and that a good Toslink cable can sound every bit as good (and sometimes at considerably … Unfortunate as their are some superbly articulate knowledgable people on this forum. The Toslink cable (SPDIF Digital Optical cable) consists of an optical fiber cable with a SPDIF connector on both ends. I missed it the first time; my thanks to Stephen Mejias for alerting me to the second posting. I know that you have a reclocking unit. I've tried both and unfortunately, I didn't like either - compared to a Halide Bridge USB to SPDIF converter. Coax SPDIF is usually AC-coupled with a cap or transformer-coupled. Winner: tie Edit: Here is a late addition, the Musical Fidelity V-DAC II. My conclusion at the end was that driving a group of ADC's and DAC's with a single word clock (such as in a studio) makes great sense to synch them (this prevents random clicks) but that a separate wordclock makes no improvement when driving a good DAC. Isn't there a Coaxial vs Optical argument to investigate? Toslink cables support several types of media formats. (before children) I was an avid reader of Stereophile and HFN/RR and one thing I clearly recall is that Toslink was very much regarded as the red-haired child of digital interface standards. Papa Fox. Many of the links are quite quiet. That means it is an alternative to the coaxial cable with the RCA connector that some SPDIF comes with. Accordingly, I expect that what you will find is that optical is as good as coax when the equipment is of good quality and reasonable care was taken implementing each. Stay tuned. Quite a lot of attention is devoted to the clock interface (both in the product and the review). Sorry to keep bombarding you with links but there's more on separate wordclocks in the sixmoons.com review of the Esoteric P-03, G-03, D-0s triple-stack. On Toslink vs RCA see this comparison over at sixmoons.com. This makes sense as TacT equipment is silly sensitive to jitter and has poor jitter rejection.

In other words no single measurement can ever be definitive with S/PDIF and similar unidirectional systems. That, to my understanding, is the theoretical beauty of the digital domain, everything else is just abstracted away. I only came across it recently when a review there was linked in one of the Swedish forums. SPDIF, however, works with only 2 channels of audio or in stereo while optical is capable of carrying 8 channels instead at 44.1 or 48 Kilohertz (kHz). In addition to doing good work he is an extremely nice guy that I hope is doing well designing and modifying equipment.

Forums. Search. I notice that the Toslink cable you are using is pretty high-end (I believe it costs about $500) but haven't seen any reviews, in Stereophile or elsewhere (in fact I don't think there are any Toslink cable reviews in your online archives!?).

They each make great reading. If you've ever dabbled in "Shun Mookery" yourself I expect you will find yourself "resonating sympathetically".

Lavry and Katz pointed out that a good DAC can address word clock variations by reclocking, etc. A properly designed DAC with good jitter rejection capabilities should not provide better sound when so driven.

To make it simpler, let’s just say that TOSLINK is a type of fiber-optic SPDIF connector. I repent, I have seen the light! ), initially an early Purcell/Delius driven by a Meridian 500 transport and later the full Verdi/Purcell/Elgar Plus/Verona "four-pack" with upsampling to DSD, so I am quite familiar with the Purcell and its 'magical' qualities. John, thanks for the explanatory note. I expect the guy with the floor polisher will start chasing us out any minute.

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